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30 May 2007 @ 11:23 am
Okay, okay. Everyone is angry, and everyone is scared, and I think it's only right that I simply go ahead and make a factual, inoffensive post about the Pedophile issue, Livejournal, and Warriors for Innocence (I am not going to post links to any of said problems. Everyone knows them by now, and I think people have begun to realise that WoI cannot be trusted, even just to read their blog). This post shall be viewable to all, and if this livejournal is deleted, I shall be quite sorry, but I think that we all have the right to speak our opinions.

First of all, I am going to say first and foremost, that I am a victim of child-molestation. It is unpleasant, and it has left me scarred for life. And it happened often enough throughout my life that I can actually tell most of the time when a pedophile is nearby. A pedophile-radar, if you will. And what these people are doing is the absolute worst way of helping. They are turning people's personal, traumatic experiences into ways to glorify themselves. I have no love for those that wish to aggrandize themselves through the miseries of others, and they are belittling the experiences of others as they do so. Even if, and I have no reason to believe so, these people are victims of pedophilia themselves, they are selfishly and blindly lashing out at those that are innocent, which, I am assuming from their name, should be completely against their own purpose.

And I want to repeat, what they are doing is, in no way, helpful to those they wish to protect. In fact, as most people should realise, victims of molestation as children tend to believe that everything is their own faults. The molestations, any issues at home, anything. By upsetting so many people, these victims will, once again, go into their shells, believing that their traumatic experiences have, once again, led people to be miserable. And nothing anyone says will make them believe that they haven't done anything wrong.

More than anything, these people posing as defenders of the innocent anger me horribly. More than the deletions, more than the mass-panic, more than the fact that what they are doing is completely ineffectual towards their actual goal. Because they are torturing the very people they want to protect. Any psychologist would tell them the same, and that if they truly wanted to help, they would volunteer at support communities, or join the police force.

I, personally, have recovered from my childhood experiences as much as can be expected. I have seen counselling, and I have gone to support groups, and I can even discuss my issues with near-flippancy. I love hearing that yet another pedophile has been arrested. But I firmly believe that these people should be investigated and taken in by the due course of the law. Anything less than that is vigilanteism, and therefore illegal. Which makes these people no better than their enemies.

Secondly, livejournal's decision to delete journals and communities without actually giving in-depth viewings of said sites is wrong. I understand that they want to crack down on the illegal activities, but simply going through and deleting sites based solely on interests and tags is not the way to deal with it. Yes, reading each post would be quite time-consuming and tiring. But no one physically forced them to take on this job, and everyone on the committee volunteered. Therefore, they should make a real job of it, and check to make sure what they are deleting are, in fact, pedophile sites, and not fandom sites. They cannot legally delete fanfiction, as said fanfiction is non-profit, and, most importantly, fiction. There have even been books concerning pedophilia published, many of which have been made into movies (e.g. Running with Scissors, a novel-soon-to-be-movie based off of the author's real life experiences as a fourteen year old boy in a sexual relationship with a thirty year old).

I know of several fanfiction communities that have been deleted solely for their interest lists, and, more significantly, a victim support community. See the cost of not doing your homework? These people are all innocent, and none of them deserve to have their communities and journals deleted. Running helter-skelter through all of the sites and randomly deleting anything that may be offensive is not only immoral, it is illegal. Every one of these sites should be getting in-depth reasons exactly why their sites, more than any others, deserve said deletion. And if simple fan-sites and support communities are getting deleted, I feel quite certain that these in-depth, personal evaluations are not accounted for.

Thirdly, I do not understand why certain tags are "hot buttons." Yes, pedophilia is disgusting, and I can understand deleting these. However "shouta" is simply fiction written about two under-aged boys getting together, usually in a non-graphic way. There is absolutely nothing illegal in that. Fourteen year olds hook up together all the time. It's called high school. "Incest" also confuses me. As every single one of my friends knows, I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate incest. It squicks me, and I turn my eyes from it if I ever happen to stumble upon it. But incest, as far as I know, is generally accepted as consensual (unless there is a warning that also says otherwise, but that is another matter). If sex is consensual, it harms no one, and therefore should be left alone. Yes, it may disgust some people, but so does sodomy. And we don't run into people's homes screaming about how they have their sex, so anything these people willingly post online of their consensual (if personally disturbing) sex is their own business.

I have noticed that many yaoi communities are being deleted, and even if that is not Livejournal's design, this could easily become a war on homophobia and personal choice. This is why I believe, for the well-being of all, that every site under suspicion needs to be reviewed minutely before deletion. It is not just for the comfort of mind for the users, but also in case of legal ramification for the owners. That way, it is fair to all.

Any questions? Concerns? Thoughts?

Edit: Anyone who would like to link to this post is more than welcome to do so, as long as you inform me of it.

Edit II: http://news.com.com/Mass+deletion+sparks+LiveJournal+revolt/2100-1025_3-6187619.html?tag=st.num - Internet article where I am actually quoted. O.O

Edit III: The Strikethrough '07 has been posted on Wikipedia. If anyone would like to link my post to the article, they are more than welcome to do so.
xroaring on May 30th, 2007 05:31 pm (UTC)
Thank you for linking this. I'm putting it in my link list! :)
Omen-chan: Alice Nineomen1x2 on May 30th, 2007 05:36 pm (UTC)
Go for it! I think it's important for people to see the victims' side of said issue too. I mean, that's what should really matter, right?
® the bats have left my belltower ®ekucbbw on May 30th, 2007 05:40 pm (UTC)
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Especially about it turning into a war on homosexuality and all that. Ugh, this is just disgusting.
Omen-chan: ALvino for meeeeeee!omen1x2 on May 30th, 2007 05:52 pm (UTC)
This really is. The whole situation makes me feel sick to my stomach.
Piac: Akiya Fo' Realz?!!!!x_shock_me_x on May 30th, 2007 05:41 pm (UTC)
I pretty much agree with what you said. Having never been a victim, I can't comment from that point of view. However, I do get where you're coming from on that one. And you know, the second anyone heard about this they all ran off and changed their user info, posts etc. so anyone who possibly may have been doing illegal activities had plenty of chance to change their info accordingly. And besides, to be completely honest, if someone really WAS a pedo, what are the chances of them putting stuff that shows that in their interests? I mean honestly! If I was going to rape someone I sure as hell wouldn't put it as an interest. Basically all they have succeeded in doing is taking away our right to free speech and driving the real criminals further underground. And the fact that yaoi is one of the target words, what the hell is wrong with homosexuality? I mean, if I was to put in my userinfo that I'm bi, would I get deleted just because I am comfortable with who I am and have no problem with who knows it? Seriously, this makes me so mad, and I'm pretty sure this is just a stunt being pulled by one of those rabid Christian groups. You know what makes me laugh? They pull shit like this, then claim that THEY are suffering and not being allowed to think what they like. Like my uncle, who tells me that in 10 years Christians will be forced to worship at underground churches *snorts* Yes, Christians are so being forced int hiding and having rights taken away in this day and age. I mean honestly, I have no problem with Christians in general, as long as they don't try and force their views on me, and as long as they respect my right to my own opinion. But people like this annoy the SHIT out of me. The fact of the matter is that most of what they forced to be deleted, regardless of if they agree or not, was FICTION, and anyone has the right to write whatever the hell fiction they want. Hell, there has been a book released recently named Zombie Bukkake. No I aint about to go and read that, but at the same time it's still JUST FICTION!!! I mean, if people believe in all they write, J.K Rowling should get locked up in the loony bin. And deleting support groups for victims....just don't even get me started on that.

....congrats, I think you earned the longest comment I've ever written! lol
Omen-chan: bisomen1x2 on May 30th, 2007 05:57 pm (UTC)
*nods* This whole thing is nothing bu mass-panic and chaos, and I honestly think that's why WoI does what they do. Because they're not helping anyone, and they're not making anyone happy, except themselves.
(no subject) - x_shock_me_x on May 30th, 2007 07:49 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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Omen-chan: Miyavi - Friendsomen1x2 on May 30th, 2007 05:53 pm (UTC)
*hugs tightly* The way I see it, if anyone has the right to say anything, it's the victims. And what is going on here is really hurting.
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(no subject) - omen1x2 on May 30th, 2007 06:10 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Deidre: Salute [Miyavi]diadori_san on May 30th, 2007 05:46 pm (UTC)
You rock.
Omen-chan: Miyavi - Hopelessly Devotedomen1x2 on May 30th, 2007 05:54 pm (UTC)
*salutes* Thank you. ^o^

Also, I adore your Meevers icon. Yay for Meevers. May he support us in our hours of need. ♥
(no subject) - diadori_san on May 30th, 2007 05:55 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - omen1x2 on May 30th, 2007 05:56 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Charon_charon on May 30th, 2007 05:54 pm (UTC)
They seem to care more about the well being of fictional characters than about the well being of real people who go on coms to find support and get over bad experiences. :(
Omen-chan: Kirito - Agitatoromen1x2 on May 30th, 2007 05:55 pm (UTC)
Indeed. Because those fictional characters need protecting to, you know? *eye roll*
aliale on May 30th, 2007 06:33 pm (UTC)
Good words, miss K.

I've seen all the riot about it, but never had the time to actually check what all the noise is about.

People tend to "fight" for eveyrthing and everyone if only it's a hot topic.
Not taking a minute about what exactly they are doing.

So thanks for writing this *hugs*
Omen-chan: Kohta02omen1x2 on May 31st, 2007 12:26 am (UTC)
*hugs back* I think the most important thing right now is making certain everyone's voices are heard, and the one voice that should be heard, but probably wouldn't, is the victims'. If anyone has a right to say anything about this issue, we are. You know?
汰仁須: angrytanisnikana on May 30th, 2007 06:56 pm (UTC)
Naomi Jameston: I... Guh. Dead.naomijameston on May 30th, 2007 09:28 pm (UTC)

Lois P.lotus82 on May 30th, 2007 06:57 pm (UTC)
I've been raped when I was 5, assaulted and harassed throughout my teen years. I know what you're talking about and I feel the same way. I had to remove "surviving rape" and "surviving sexual abuse" from my interests and it makes me feel awful. It took me YEARS to accept what happened not as a deep dark secret that means I'm the scummiest scum of the earth, but as something very bad that does not make me bad, that gives me an opportunity to maybe help a little, educate a little. I came to peace with my experiences and today, if I come to a situation where I need to state that I am a survivor, I do not lower my eyes when I say that. But now it feels like I've been thrown back ten years and I need to hush around corners again and treat it like a confession of my sin.
I hate it. I really, really hate it. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and we're witnessing it right now.
Omen-chan: ALvino for meeeeeee!omen1x2 on May 31st, 2007 12:30 am (UTC)
The road to hell is paved with good intentions...

Exactly. There has never been a truer use for that old adage.

And it's depressing and painful how much this situation has set back years of progress for the victims. It angers me, and it hurts me, and I can only imagine what it's doing to others. Even those that have never been molested, but simply write for the fun of it, they do not deserve this either.
(no subject) - chorus_of_chaos on May 31st, 2007 09:39 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Chang Meiran: oimeiran on May 30th, 2007 07:23 pm (UTC)
Thank you, this is well thought out and well said. I have nothing to add really, just a thanks.
Omen-chan: Kirito in pretty colorsomen1x2 on May 31st, 2007 12:31 am (UTC)
You are most welcome. ^^

I hope this helps.
(no subject) - kayling on May 31st, 2007 05:53 am (UTC) (Expand)
panur_linkspanur_links on May 30th, 2007 07:25 pm (UTC)
I just want to congratulate you for such a well expressed opinion.
Omen-chan: Aiji02omen1x2 on May 31st, 2007 12:32 am (UTC)
Thank you very much. ^^
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Omen-chan: Aoi x Uruha Loveomen1x2 on May 31st, 2007 12:33 am (UTC)
You're welcome.
Peregrinefalcongirl on May 30th, 2007 07:52 pm (UTC)
I found you via one of the many links about the LJ ban. I'd like to add my support to your very well spoken statements. I'm also an adult survivor of childhood sexual assault and rape.

As one of the people WoI is supposedly trying to "protect", I'd really like them to step off. I don't need their protection. I'm a survivor. I'm an adult. I can make my own choices about what upsets me and what doesn't, and I have a choice about what I do or don't read online. Nothing online is jumping off the screen and climbing into my eyes and brain and forcing me to read it or view it. I can avoid it with no difficulty at all. If people want to write fanfic about any topic whatsoever, fine - it's fiction. It's not hurting anyone, and if it grosses me out or upsets me, I can stop reading it.

I know a lot of fic'ers. Most of them are also survivors. Many of them use their fiction to help them cope with what happened to them, usually by having something horrible happen to the abuser, but sometimes just by writing a character who comes through the experience ok - as they in their real life may or may not have done.

As long as the community/journal isn't actively trading child porn or arranging hookups with underagers for adults, or becoming a trade journal for hitmen or rapists, then the deletion isn't doing any good whatsoever and is a big fat waste of time, serving only to cater to a group of zealots and to alienate the LJ community.

Thank you for your post. Very well spoken.
Omen-chan: Miyavi *.*omen1x2 on May 31st, 2007 12:37 am (UTC)
Very well said, my friend. I couldn't have said it better myself. ^o^
stolen_hybrisstolen_hybris on May 30th, 2007 08:22 pm (UTC)

I would let those WfI read this, except that I'm pretty sure it just wouldn't penetrate their minds. :( I hate people who refuse to listen to others.
Omen-chan: kannivalismomen1x2 on May 31st, 2007 12:39 am (UTC)
No, people like them usually don't. They're too busy with their crusade to bother stopping and listening to the people they need to listen to.
lstrawberrygirl: cobra starship AND jensen ackles *LOVEEElstrawberrygirl on May 30th, 2007 08:36 pm (UTC)
You don't know me, and I really don't know you or anything but thank you

I've done this comment about 5 times already because I can't really put into words what I'm trying to say, everything is so mess up right now, poeple are hurting and this whole thing is getting out of control.

I love my fandoms, they are so screw up but nobody is making me read them, no one is forcing me to do it, I just don't get why erase fanfiction of Livejournal.. is fiction.

I just wanted to say thank you, you are saying everything I can't and thank you <3
Omen-chan: Pierrotomen1x2 on May 31st, 2007 12:40 am (UTC)
You are most welcome. We're all feeling powerless and hurt right now, and perhaps if people begin to listen, this issue might be resolved peacefully.
Kei: KoziKozikdelioncourt on May 30th, 2007 08:37 pm (UTC)
That is very well said.

Maybe it would be an idea to send the content of your post (or a link to it?) to LiveJournal, if you haven't done so already. I noticed a lot of people have already commented on news but your post seems to be one of the most fairly-written and well thought-out comments on this matter that I've seen today.
Omen-chan: Angeloomen1x2 on May 31st, 2007 12:41 am (UTC)
I didn't see any particular news post that I could comment on, but I sent them a link anyway. I really don't want to attack anyone, and would much prefer this whole situation be resolved peacefully.
pirate_lozzie on May 30th, 2007 09:35 pm (UTC)
For someone who's been molested as a child as well (still really am a child, but oh well), Congratulations and thanks for saying what i can't.

I do, of course, have different views on incest and fanfiction, but let's not get into them.

Thank you &hearts
Omen-chan: Pretty Kiri icon just for ME!omen1x2 on May 31st, 2007 12:43 am (UTC)
That's the point, though, isn't it? We all have different opinions and beliefs, and we all have the right to express them. Our stories and artwork are not hurting anyone, and they should be allowed to stay.
*: [MISC] we are fandom - © mefianna_fialena on May 30th, 2007 09:44 pm (UTC)
I am a victim of child-molestation.

Me too. :) Every word you have said could have been mine.
Omen-chan: Takeo02omen1x2 on May 31st, 2007 12:44 am (UTC)
*hugs* I hope you are handling things well. My main concern is for the recovering survivors, and how they are dealing with this unexpected and painful attack.
(no subject) - fianna_fialena on May 31st, 2007 03:26 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - omen1x2 on May 31st, 2007 03:31 am (UTC) (Expand)
Ariel: house ruleskatieupsidedown on May 30th, 2007 10:29 pm (UTC)
Adding myself to the survivors' WORD-pile.
Omen-chan: Aoiomen1x2 on May 31st, 2007 12:45 am (UTC)
*hugs* I hope you are dealing all right. This is the worst for the victims, I think, and I find that very wrong and unfair.
(no subject) - katieupsidedown on December 10th, 2007 05:30 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - omen1x2 on December 11th, 2007 01:21 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Mette: Lucy - loyaltynursemette on May 30th, 2007 10:30 pm (UTC)
A very interesting read, I think it's important that you as a victim speak up on how you view this. I'm sorry to hear that these bastards are stirring up shit like this, not everybody will be able to handle it.

I haven't had much psychology in college, but what you describe here seems reasonable and well thought out. Well done. *careful hug*
Omen-chan: Kirito - Lightomen1x2 on May 31st, 2007 12:46 am (UTC)
*hugs back* I simply hope that this helps resolve things, and give the victims the chance to speak out as we deserve.
stephanie m. clarksonthespian on May 30th, 2007 10:33 pm (UTC)
you are fabulous, and brave, and clearly spoken, and I'm very happy that you are recovered enough to write something with this directness and clarity.

Congratulations, and thank you.
Omen-chan: kannivalism's Ryoomen1x2 on May 31st, 2007 12:49 am (UTC)
I very much like your icon. ^^

And thank you so much for commenting.
(no subject) - thespian on May 31st, 2007 04:24 am (UTC) (Expand)
JoSelleupstart_crow on May 30th, 2007 10:34 pm (UTC)
Another survivor of molestation (peer-on-peer as a child). Thank you for posting this. I couldn't agree with you more.
Omen-chan: Kirito - Daybreak02omen1x2 on May 31st, 2007 12:50 am (UTC)
*hugs* I hope you are dealing well. Let me know if you need to talk. ^^
Helholdenhelholden on May 30th, 2007 10:47 pm (UTC)
Amen. I am a survivor of child molestation, and if I want to write fiction that deals with the subjects of incest, rape, non-con, or underage sex, I damn well will. I support the right of artistic expression and free speech and intelligent discussion of these topics.

Honestly, I think if they claim this is about "protecting people" then it's a cover for the fact that they are trying to save their public image and look squeaky clean. Because they aren't helping anyone. They're only hurting.
Omen-chan: Pretty Kiri icon just for ME!omen1x2 on May 31st, 2007 12:52 am (UTC)
Exactly. And they aren't hurting anyone more than they're hurting the victims. If we can't even talk about what happened to us, how can we ever recover? No, it'll make us feel for the rest of our days that we have to cower and hide, because we're at fault and unworthy.
古崇賢, aka Brother Claymore of Perpetual Peace: The City of Washington in the District odcseain on May 30th, 2007 11:29 pm (UTC)
Very well said, and LJ/SixApart seems not to have considered the possibilty of a class-action lawsuit aginst them due to the deletions. Being a California-based company, you'd think they'd be especially aware of that possibility, seeing as CA has some generous laws on settlements when a company loses.
古崇賢, aka Brother Claymore of Perpetual Peace: Birdie!dcseain on May 30th, 2007 11:31 pm (UTC)
Oh, i forgot to mention. I have a friend who works for AOL. His job is to review content in their online communities for illegal things. He, and his team at AOL, unlike the one here, actually reviews thoroughly, which, as you pointed out, should be the case here, too.

Thank you for posting this.
(no subject) - omen1x2 on May 31st, 2007 12:54 am (UTC) (Expand)
Bridgettea_fiend on May 30th, 2007 11:32 pm (UTC)
Another survivor here. One who admittedly doesn't deal too well. Seeing so many people saying "me too" is catching my attention, though I'm not really sure how to explain how. I've considered wandering about communities that may help me sort my head out for a while. Never actually got round to it yet, and it looks as though I never will. Cheers, LJ.
Omen-chan: Takeo02omen1x2 on May 31st, 2007 12:55 am (UTC)
It hurts me that so many of us victims are taking this so hard, and a great deal of the reason why I posted was because I wanted to show people that we can still deal. If you ever need to talk, I'm here.